Question about flavouring essence PG for mixing

This one maybe??

LorAnn Flavors- COLOR CODED Complete Ingredients List

 

Some more stuff here.

Flavor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Even some more stuff here.


Guide To Flavouring - Planet of the Vapes Wiki





Tell me when you have had enough???

 

Some good information here. Regular food flavors, but each one has a vape or not to vape recommendation



Capella Flavour Drops UK

 

Mike there is a reply with quote button at the bottom of each post

I am sure we do have our wires somewhat crossed and it is great to see a new member who has had the time to do some research.
Sadly not all new people to the forum have had the time to do the research yet and instead need to rely on the advice of other members as each question arises. The members here at avf work together with new vapers to help them get off to the best possible start on their vaping journey in a responsible fashion and We take that position of trust seriously, so expect us to point new people to reliable products and reliable vendors so that they can get the best possible start and avoid pitfalls. Typically new members are still trying to get all the new terminology sorted and figure out all the components to their e-cig so there is a good possibility they have never heard of things like diacetyl.

Perhaps I could have worded things better but I really struggle to keep my posts under a full page as it is

You have misquoted me and in doing so changed the context, I believe the quote should read...
So while your strawberry might be ok, I certainly wouldn't imply that all Queens essence is safe enough to vape and have people blindly rushing out to buy one of each to try on my say so.

My use of the word "designed" in the sentence below was used in the context of "suited to" or "befitting"
We do have vendors here in canada that sell Flavour Art concentrates, that are designed for our needs, or of course you can always buy from them direct.


As for the following sentence I make zero apologies, it was a broad generalisation coving any e-liquid from any possible source

IMO the less "unknowns" and additives in our juice the less chance we have of things going horribly wrong in years to come...



Disclaimer:
Sorry It has taken so long to formulate replies but my sleep deprivation over the past few weeks has made me extremely and unreasonably short tempered which is out of character for me and I may be feeling baited when that may not be the case so I must not burst into flames, I must not burst into flames! I have also become enamoured with hitting the "like" button for various reasons instead of only to indicate that I am in total agreement with the poster, I want to put all "umbrella type" terms in inverted commas. I can only type in long run on sentences which may or may not have commas and full-stops, (ohh and I want to put EVERY new sentence or thought in parenthesis) lol

 

Stop being scrooges you lot and get some decent flavors from a reputable vendor....Queens is crap..

 

Yeah Robray some dem be the ones. I went and found oodles myself but couldn't be arsed going through them and seeing what was important and what wasn't.

You a good man

As for this flavour thing, the first company to make up a range exclusively for vaping will be a rich company indeed. If not rich, at least well regarded.

 

some flavourings will kill your atomisers etc - oil based etc - not the end of the world

some flavourings may kill you - ie those that contain diacetyl ? some of robrays links above are good

my suggestion is if you haven't done your research into the flavouring you intend to vape then you shouldn't just buy it off the shelf and vape it - better to at least educate yourself a little and then decide if you are happy to vape it, than just blindly assume anything used to flavour food is ok to inhale into your lungs.

EG "Dozens of workers around the country have developed the debilitating lung disease bronchiolitis obliterans, also known as “popcorn workers lung,” and other respiratory illnesses from exposure to vapors from diacetyl, a component of artificial butter flavor used in microwave popcorn and many other food products. - this is still included in many brands/types of food flavouring, do you know which brands and type of flavours?

Yeah i know the above quote is designed to panic newbie vapers a bit, and i am not worried with what i vape, but i have done some research, and have chosen to avoid flavours and brands with diacetyl in it for example. It just worries me that many people haven't and seem happy to just about vape any flavouring

this video may be worth watching for newbies - it talks about things in vaping that people are sensitive too, allergic too or potentially damaging to your health etc, they have a few guests, some are not as qualified as they could be, but have some interesting discussions on areas that concern newbies around pg/vg, flavourings like custard , cinnamon flavour and diacetyl (25min mark ish) etc

[video=youtube;RmDQU66moNo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmDQU66moNo[/video]

 

Being a baker / pastry chef / cake decorator by trade I kind of see Queens flavourings / Robertsons / Kerry Pinnacle / Bakels flavourings very very different from the flavours from Flavourart / TPA etc.

Whilst they're all food grade I don't recommend them to be heated up and inhaled. Sure, they're great on a doughnut and other sorts of pastries but that's where it stops. Even though they might be clear in colour doesn't mean they don't have added properties which aren't listed on the bottle.

Sure, you can use them if you want but I wouldn't recommend it. You even find other chemicals added to flavourart flavourings other than what they've listed on the bottle. Atleast flavourart know who there consumers are and do individual analysis on each flavour to know the risks involved when inhaling. TPA does similar but not to the same extent.

In saying this though, not ALL flavourart flavours are to be inhaled, Flavours like yogurt, milk and many others aren't safe!

 

Very informative and thanks for sharing knowledge here.

I understand from the above replies as not all flavours aren't safe to vape.
Well then,
- Are those liquids selling by ecig vendors here in canada safe?
- Which department or organisation is certified/ or how can be assured that they are safe to vape?
- Why didn't the eliquids selling here in canada list the ingredients on their bottles?

 

I'm not on any side of the fence so I'll say it how it is..

We don't know what vendors in canada put in there E-Liquid. We know that some use The Flavour Apprentice whilst others use Flavourart and others might use Capella. Vendors from any part of the world won't tell us what goes into there E-Liquid nor the recipe. They do all have the same motto though and they want vapers to be safe. We vape as a safer alternative to smoking.
As we all know there are a few people around who do have access to MS/GC machines and other lab equipment which can tell us exactly what's inside it. If something wasn't safe they would be .comght out and slagged off. I'm sure no vendor wants this so they play it safe. This isn't me making assumptions, This is me being honest.

Just one example that flavour companies want us to be safe is right here in The Flavourart Clear Stream Study: ClearStream by FlavourArt | ClearStream by FlavourArt

Also if you have any further queries regarding the safety of The Flavour Apprentice You can contact (adele?) on 831-704-7342. Apparently she's a very nice lady and has the safety of vapers at top priority.

This can be seen in some of the testing she's done on her flavours: http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/flavorsworkshop/custard.html http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/t-faq.aspx#inhalationsafety
Please keep in mind that safety tests have not been done by any official organizations.

 

Thanks neofelis
I hadnt looked at that site for a while. Interesting clearstream are buying new equipment for Dr Farsalinos to do further research.

 

So they should. Imagine how many millions they've made so far lol.

Then again, lab equipment is bloody expensive!

Apparently one Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry machine can cost $500,000 lol.

 

The second half of all this is seniority without substance and I reject it. Play the ball not the man, stay on topic, and stop confusing post count with intelligence. As for the conspiracy that I have some sort of corporate agenda (WTF), that is just sheer lunacy abd requires a mental health check.

Now let's look at the first part of your post. By talking at length about the dodgy and deceptive things that can end up in natural flavours you openly admit what it is you feel sinister about. Why bother with all this 'you don't me or what I mean when I use quotation marks' business when you just go to prove my suspicions of your suspicions to indeed be founded? Lol

Does that mean that you really are that transparent?...Not really. Be.comse it just so happens that the use of these '' in language has a set and limited range of meanings and those meanings are universal. So now that we've (I've) established what is you are suss about I can now address that directly and point out why it flawed.

Those unsavory by-products of nature you talk of can just as easily end up in non-natural flavours as well. Case in point in actually the pepsi example you refer to. The use of aborted fetal cells in their flavouring formula ends up as what is/was listed as a artificial ingredients. They don't tout it as being natural. Same as when castoreum ends up in imitation strawberry, and vanillin in vanilla. And in this case you have less reason to even suspect they'd be present than if they'd be advertised as natural. You can see how the reverse of what your saying can be just as true and that either labeling system can deceive and give a false sense of security. Assumptions either way are misguided.

So I will return to my original point and why I mentioned my Queens find in the the first place. That selection of flavours on case by case basis is a more reliable and ratonal way to rule out safety and sourcing concerns than it is to boycott an brand or type (natural/artificial) be.comse a few within that brand or type have some undesirables. Be.comse those undesirable are not confined from the 'safe zones' of your mind.

 

While I'm at it (and this is a collective response a certain attitude expressed here and in other threads), let's not get too cocky about experience or understanding of vaping dangers based on length of time as a forum member. As I've said already, probably the greatest unknown risk associated with all this, if there was one, would be in the long term consumption of e-juice ingredients in their manipulated 'off label' form. And no one here has mastery of understanding when it comes to this aspect of vaping.

So no matter you post count we are all 'newbies' in this regard...unless of course you have conducted your own controlled and peer reviewed studies into said long term affects or lack thereof, in which case I'd like to hear from you be.comse you would hold the real science and.comthority on vaping issues. The recreation of vaping and membership of vaping community is not a science or discipline.

Everything else is just elementary. A bit of googling to find pre.comtion info other people have put together for you does not make one a 'pro' or 'veteran' vaper. Hell, if that were the case I would have reached pro vaping status before I even started!

Humility please people...humility.

 

I have to totally agree with that bit.

@mushman ..



Damn, yep .. I would have assumed it was extracted from oranges.
Surely there is a difference between an orange flavour containing 'natural flavour' and one containing 'natural orange flavour' .. I mean the former could be extracted from pig urine and taste like it, whereas the latter must surely be the same chemical that makes oranges taste like oranges .. even if it was synthetically prooduced. That I get.. Meaning that is not a 'simulation' of orange flavour with a different ketone or aldehyde or something but the same primary as that in oranges.

 

Very much agree Mike,

My main pre.comtion with flavours is to never stick with the same one forever ..

I used to vape dekang for the vast majority of the time as being a bio-chemical lab for a very long time, I figure they do know whats good and whats not..

 

Glass houses... stones?

 

It would be contradictory if I had said he was a sheer lunatic.

No glass is broken in correcting a crazy claim made against me, mine is simply repaired.

 

Can anyone decipher what Mike87 has written?

I'm buggered if I can.

I've read this over and over and see extrapolation,assumptions,things I never even said,almost déjà vu as to the style of writing and "argument" Mike is presenting considering my post's content.
There a re a lot of things YOU wrote that I apparently said that are simply not true and more likely based on my prior posts and a background knowledge of who you think I am.

Shall I point some words and phrases you wrote that I didn't or make me go WTF?
"Conspiracy","Peer Reviewed","Sinister"...the Pepsi thing was to see if you would start on aborted fetus being used and I never mentioned that.Sounds like someone I have had dealings with before.

I never said you had a "Corporate Agenda"...do you?
I never said anything about Boycotting anything.
I never compared Natural to Synthetics.
I never said there was anything dodgey or deceptive with crushed bugs or that I think it's "sinister"..I was making the point that "Natural Flavour" doesn't have to come from a PLANT....but you would know this and think that I read Natural News LOL

BTW I use inverted comma's the way I damn well like and no-one else seems to have problem with it.
As for post count, I'm referring to join date too...I've read your posts including this one and I have to say you seem to get away with what we wouldn't have put up with in the past.

You say I'm being cocky?

For a noobie I would say the reverse and to show some respect for established members.

It's posts like these that make not just me think twice about answering new posts and my Mental Health is fine thanks old friend, how's yours going?

There are more than just myself and Brooksey that feel your post is strange to put it mildly.

Once again..and I guess this is really the point of all this.

Is there something wrong with Vendors mixing up their own e-juices from the same concentrates we've been using all this time and selling them?