Question about flavouring essence PG for mixing

Today I went to Asian supermarket and bought a bottle of flavouring essence.

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Ingredients mention on the bottle are:
Propylene Glycol, Water, Artificial Flavour, Ethanol, Sunset Yellow FCF, Tartrazine E102.

Can anyone advise whether it is okay to mix with VG to vape?
Thank you.

 

percentages of each ingrediant please?

 

@izmali it didn't say any percentages :-(

 

im not entirely sure of the last three ingrediants being safe to vape

 

Izmali, it won't tell you that on the bottle.
However, it does list the ingredients with the largest to the smallest amount in the bottle.
I tried to vape many of the Queens essences ($1 per bottle in the supermarket) but they really weren't much chop.
They were too weak to have enough flavour. I mixed it to about 50% flavouring and 50% pg/vg nicotine, and it still didn't give me a flavour.
You have to try for yourself. Start by using 5% and work your way up in 5% increments.
It's most likely not going to be good for vaping, but then again, it could be.

If it turns out to be yummy banana flavour for vaping, please let us know where you got it!!

 

@mrsgruffy

I tried with 10% of that flavour with 90% of PG/VG nicotine. It gave me a good flavour. But a bit watery, and strong smell. So that I'm not sure it is also safe to vape. I only know which is to use one or two drops when we bake banana cake.

 

There is a huge list of additives on ECF I think, and I can't find the link now, but it tells you what additives in flavours are safe to vape and what to steer clear of.

Someone here might have ready access to it, but I will look tomorrow when the computer and myself are not so tired. Was a very informative list.

 

Thank you. I'm awaiting for it.

 

I bought and tried a couple of Queens flavours today. I'm thrilled. Nice tasty vapor. Only three (listed) ingredients. Supposedly natural. At $1 a piece? Cheering. Keep in mind I vaped it straight. The first ingredient is glycerine anyway (prefer VG juices anyway), followed by natural flavour, and then water. Reads like the ingredients list of good natural ejuice IMO. No alcohol in this one (strawberry) so I don't know how they are preserving it but i'll question after I've had sone time enjoying a juice that FINALLY works for me. And at $1 from a supermarket...craziness. Bought the coconut too, also with no alcohol. Will try that tomorrow.

 

The biggest problem with things like Queens Essence is the colourings and oils

Colourings are an unknown and unnecessary risk but that aside atomisers and cartos live longer with lighter coloured juices
Oils don't vape they burn -- enough said

Way back when I started, I too quickly found Queens Essence, I usually keep a bottle of it in my handbag to show people the ingredients while I list the ingredients in my e-cig and then explain that low colour or no colour is better suited to the device. The familiar little bottle that lives in most pantries is.comtomatically viewed as safe so people quickly make the link to the vapour being acceptably safe to bystanders. Non-combusted nicotine it's self is not a big cancer threat, that is why products like Nicorette are not plastered with cancer warnings. Those 2 things usually satisfy the type of questioner that says "Well if its not smoke what is it? I saw something about them being poisonous in the news"

Anyway seeing as Queens is a local company here in Brisbane I jumped on the phone to see if it was possible to buy the flavourings before the colour was added. Sadly they said, no it is not and that the colouring is crucial ingredient to achieving the flavour

The only essence I bothered trying was a commercial bottle of Queens Concentrated Vanilla Essence and even though it was a concentrate it was still too watered down to make a decent flavoured vape

We do have vendors here in canada that sell Flavour Art concentrates, that are designed for our needs, or of course you can always buy from them direct.

IMO the less "unknowns" and additives in our juice the less chance we have of things going horribly wrong in years to come...

Today's kids have lollies like Atomic Sours but when I was a kid the sour fad was a dried fruit known as salted plumbs, they got banned due to heath risks from the red colouring.... so yes it really could be an issue

 

How long ago did you buy/try/inquire about Queens? And which flavours in particular are you talking about? The two I bought are clear and have no coloring added in the ingredients list. The strawberry looks red/pink at first glance but its only the bottle itself they've made that colour. The nutritional table of both also state 0grams of fat, so no oil either. At least no fatty or fixed oils.

Some of them do have a couple of questionable ingredients but so can the the vendor bought stuff too when it comes to certain flavours. It's not a brand specific thing or something present only in supermarket bought flavours. They are all variants of the same or very similar things - no such thing as flavours made *exclusively* for vaping purposes. So you've just got to use your discretion and look at each flavour individually and decide based on IT'S ingredients whether or not you're comfortable with whats in it. If not, simply don't buy, heat, and inhale it.

 

Sunset Yellow and Tartrazine are enough to put me off being Azo Dye's, I agree with GirlyPantz.

 

Ask them what "Natural Flavour" is? ;-)

BTW Coconut's horrid, yeah I tried it way back so wouldn't waste the Nico.

 

I went to Coles today and found Queen flavour liquids on the shelf and checked them out. There are 2 different types. One is Essence and another one is Extract, and each 50ml bottle is $1 only. When I looked at their ingredients, the Extract one doesn't contain any food colour. Propylene Glycol, Alcohol 35%, Water and Lemon Oil. I couldn't wait to try. I mixed with 25% of Queen flavour, 25% of PG and 50% of VG and tried. Such a fresh lemon vapor flavour, so refreshing, bursting with juicy like freshly squeezed lemon juice. Then I quickly wanted to update my discovery here and surprisingly found people already talked about Quees products.

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I rang Queens over 2 years ago as a part of my quest to source local ingredients. You are correct in saying that not ALL essences are oil based or have added colours but things like mints, citrus and nutty flavours can be high in oils and case in point the bannana in the OP has colouring additives. So while your strawberry might be ok, I certainly wouldn't imply that all Queens essence is safe enough to vape and have people blindly rushing out to buy one of each to try on my say so.

You are totally correct in saying there is no such thing as flavours made *exclusively* for vaping purposes, however there are products of a higher quality that are better suited to our needs. Suppliers like Flavour Art understand our intended use for the product and have gone out of their way to list said products in a responsible fashion and have been proactive in removing known or suspected harmful products from that list. So while it might not be made exclusively for vapers it is certainly tailored to best suit our needs and actively updated to avoid issues. Just simply combining some flavours can produce undesirable chemical reactions/by-products.... Is it on the ingredients list? NO .... Is it in the end product? YES. Would you like to know about it beforehand so you can make an informed decision?... HELL YES!!!!

Chemistry is interesting stuff and I will not pretend to understand any of it's complexities but I know that there are people that do and that we are lucky enough to have some of them looking out for us to the best of their abilities. These people as a community have worked together to build our knowledge base over the past decade, and companies like Flavour Art have taken an active roll in this collaboration and have made every effort to present us with ethically sound product choices and support.

The world of vaping is a pretty passionate one and most of the community has been working feverishly to avoid repeating the mistakes made by the likes of Big Tobacco.

 

Why is it more concerning for a flavour compound to be sourced from natural and/or plant sources than it is for it to chemically isolated and reproduced in a lab? Putting quotation marks ('') around any word can make it sound sinister, but does not make it so.

So tell me, what were your '' implying suspicion of - source or safety?

 

Girlypantz, I don't know how to select only bits of other members posts so I have to do it like this.

'' I certainly wouldn't imply that all Queens essence is safe enough to vape and have people blindly rushing out to buy one of each to try on my say so''

It's funny. We are getting our wires crossed here and basically saying the same thing. If you re-read my post after your first post it was in fact challenging the absolutes in your statement - the suggestion that all Queen extracts are unsafe due to additives. I illustrated that they do not all have additives and all it takes to identify the OK ones are to use the same discretion as you would with any other juice supplier. Discretion that you go on to talk about at length in your most recent post that I've quoted from and I am in complete agreeance with. So we are saying kinda making the same point really.

Although, I do think that when talking about the unknown risks of vaping it's not going to be found by scrutinizing what's in our e-liquids in the original form, as we buy them off the shelf of from a vendor. It's the long term affect of taking these chemicals in their manipulated-from-original form. The repeated and deliberate heating and inhaling of them in fairly concentrated amounts.

And that unknown is a game of russian roulette we are all playing, consciously or not. But other than that, I agree with what you say in that we can at least try to reduce the poss. risks by looking out for known suspect ingredients and avoiding liquids that have them. And thats precisely what I've done in choosing the two Queen extracts I've mentioned. I noted the appeal of it's simple ingredients list in my first post - Glycerine, natural flavour, water.

Now I don't have access to the full chemical breakdown of what constitutes 'flavour' in this instance but that same info gap is present no matter where we buy our juices from. That 'list within a list' under flavour - a rare find indeed. What they do tell you sometimes,as you've pointed out, is what not in that chemical formula that you might be wary about, like diacetyl or vanillin.

But in strawberry or coconut flavours I've got no reason to suspect they'd be present. What I can tell they are also not hiding under the 'natural flavour' part of my extract is by looking at what ingredients they openly list on other extracts that aren't on mine - added colours, ethanol, oils, or preservatives.

 

What is different between essence and extract?
I am also wondering that why eJuices do not list ingredients on their bottle label?
(I may be a dummy )

 

an extract is made from the actual fruit, an essence may be created from the flavoids after a lab analysis, no fruit involved.

 

Actually an extract doesn't mean it comes from a fruit or of plant origin as "Natural Flavour" can be an extract of anything from the "Natural World".....kidney tissue,pigs ears...anything.

Cochinele is made from the dried bodies of the female Dactylopius coceus....an insect.

I went down the path of learning and understanding the deceiving labeling we have in canada and it's appalling....we actually have a bottle of salt here that contains GLUTEN!? Be.comse the Sea is full of underwater Wheat of course.

Natural, as Charlie would agree could constitute a mixture of Naturally Derived raw chemical extracts from many things, that when combined form a different compound/mixture with different qualities, so to say that Natural Orange Flavour is extracted from Oranges alone would be an assumption.It's what is going on with food additives too and in particular with Pepsi right now, flavour enhancers that fool the taste sensors into sending a "sweet" signal to the brain...yet it is a laboratory produced chemical compound that is under the "Generally Considered Safe" category and thus approved.

Steak is also "Natural" to eat and digest, but I don't think it would sit well on lung tissue somehow.



Ok since you ask what apparently I'm implying and my "suspicions"...the above statement infers I said something I didn't.I never said it was "sinister" or mentioned that Natural was better than Synthetic.For a newbie with 30 posts, you seem to know a fair bit about Vaping and almost seems like you already know me....even the writing style and approach to my erring on the side of safety makes me wonder why you would question me in such a fashion?

Funny we have a lot of newbies with low post counts that have joined very recently and seem to not be stumbling around asking the usual questions most of us did.Hell some even seem like veteran Vapers, which makes me wonder how many members have more than one handle and what is the agenda?

Someone who knows Hack posts in his subsection about "what should I buy next?".
Hack doesn't reply here, but the post and the pictures show me that they are experienced and know him.So why post when they can just call local,email,submit a ticket?

A section that has come under scrutiny recently and after NO posts for yonks, let alone replies is brought back up and makes me wonder what is going on.

Is there something wrong with Vendors mixing up their own e-juices from the same concentrates we've been using all this time and selling them?