Concentrates

Ok, so I took delivery on some 100% PG concentrates today and would like to use them by adding them to some flavours already mixed up by me but are a little on the subtle side. So with the concentrates do I mix them up with nic etc as I would say a doubler or do I just use neatly..adding to my already mixed juices? Cheers xx

 

most would use them neatly. what brand of concentrates are they and what is the recomended usage amount for them

 

I would also like to know this. As I have a few in the mail and I have never used them before. I think it depends on brand and strength . What concentrate did you use and uow much?
Some I hear are as low as 2%. Ie.. 2ml mixed with 100 ml.
While others are much higher at the 20 % mark. But best to ask someone experienced in mixing I guess.

 

These read to be used between 10 - 30%. They are from eciglife and all the brand says is made in america?? so not really sure xx

 

Depending on the brand of concentrates, you could use as little as 1%-2% or up to 20% to mix in with your unflavored nic & plain PG/VG bases to make juice at the correct flavor strength.
Without knowing the brand or type of flavor you are using it is very hard to recommend an accurate amount to use.

However, you can use your sense of smell to judge the amount you need to add.
First halve the juice you want to add concentrate to, so if you have 10ml put 5ml in a different bottle.
Now in one bottle only, add 1 or 2 drops, at a time, then shake & sniff to see if the flavor is strong enough, compare to the 5ml you didn't add concentrate to & when the bottle you are adding concentrate to smells about double the strength as the original juice, test vape it.
If it is too strong you still have 5ml to mix back in to help dilute it back to the strength of flavor you want, keep track of how many drops you add & then add the same ratio of drops to the remaining original juice.
You can also use some VG &/or unflavored nic to dilute the flavor a little if you need to.

 

In that case I would try mixing them into your pre-mixed juice at around 5% of the volume.

 

Thankyou Noe, and would this be using neat and going the way you suggested in your first post, drops into a 5ml batch?

 

5 ml in 45 ml of juice then add a ml or 2 if needed is what I would do. So start at a 10 % and work up . Drip to taste.
5 ml batches sounds teadious. But definately sparing on juice.

I think there are calculators online. I am On my mobile so slower browsing.

 

LOL..I dont have 45ml of juice made up my largest mixes are bottles mixed at 10ml

 

He he im just greedy dont worry about me lol

 

5ml batch & simply add 5% concentrate, neat. So in 4.8ml add 0.2ml to 0.3ml concentrate, that should get you close to the strength you want.




You obviously did not read the OP properly.

Since the juice being used is already flavored, using 10% flavor initially to boost the flavor would be too much, start with 5%, so add 0.5ml concentrate to 10ml of juice.
Test vape & if the flavor still isn't strong enough add another 0.2ml(making it aprox 7% all up), test vape again, then add in 0.2ml amounts until you reach the desired flavor strength.
If you were starting from unflavored nic & base juice, I would try a 15% concentrate mix, so 1.5ml to 8.5ml =10ml. If this was too weak then you could always add more concentrate or if too strong dilute it a little with unflavored base &/or nic.

 

Bit of an oxymoron here. Concentrates generally are flavour only, no PG or VG. It's either a PG/VG based flavour, to be added with nic juice, or it's a concentrate, which has to have PG/VG added as well as nic. Neat cordial out of the bottle, if you like.

bethydy, can you post a link to one of the actual "concentrates" you have. Just to see exactly what it is. I feel the word concentrate is bandied around too much nowadays, and additionally vendors just do not post mixing info on the products they sell.

 

Hi Keyboardmama, thanks for your help, here is the link to what I got..

Flavour Concentrates | Ecig Life

Thanks for taking a look xx

 

Interesting. Concentrates with PG base. Only thing I can think of is they make them themselves for the vaping market from base ingredients. But someone may come along that knows more about this. I haven't come across concentrates with PG before, but then again I may have and not known it.

Noe has already given you sound advice on how to mix with what you have, but ty for posting the link. Good luck with the mixing.

 

Bethydy,
I think you may have read the web-site incorrectly (unless i did, as i have had a couple of vino's) But it looks to me like they are flavour concentrates, to be used with PG/VG base liquids.ie mixed with a PG or VG base to make your juice... I'm only and apprentice alchemist but I have used their concentrates before. From memory I went for 20% which is the middle of their recommendation of 10% - 30% and pretty sure they worked ok... You may wish to start weaker and work up as advised and not be as impatient as me.
Cheers and good luck!

 

Hi, most concentrates are PG based, or a combination of PG, water, alcohol, or very rarely, VG. This is be.comse many/most of the artificial flavours used are actually solids in their pure form. Of those that aren't, they are usually too strong to be considered for home use so are diluted with PG. This is why many DIY liquid calculators allow you specify the PG content of of the concentrates, or assume that it is 100% PG as the most likely scenario.

Dilutions for artificial flavour compounds into "flavour concentrates" can vary from about 1% up to 50% for some compounds, though 1% is probably more typical, generally speaking. Eg: Raw E-Liquid Flavour Ingredients - Flavour Molecules

Dilution also allows the manufacturer to adjust the flavour with other compounds, so a flavour concentrate will rarely be just one flavour compound. For example many fruit flavours may actually be a combination of compounds, and will have ethyl maltol added as well if the selected compounds are not sweet enough to be deemed "typical" for the flavour type. None of the manufacturers will usually say what is in their concentrates but I'm pretty certain of the ethyl maltol be.comse I'm sensitive to it - I get a reaction to most fruit flavours that I've tried.

PG is a good dilution medium for most things, however water and/or alchohol may also be used as a minor percentage for specific purposes. Many natural extracted flavours (eg NETs, coffees, teas etc) are also PG bases - what you are buying is basically the PG that was used to do the extraction.

I've just done a natural coffee cold extraction with some success, using 100% PG to do the extraction. Actually it's very easy and I'm wondering if I should try some teas next. (Anything but tobacco, I've only just managed to get the WTA monkey off my back, but I could have really used it a few months ago).

 

Teas are good ... some discussion here (which I need to update)

 

Hmm OK, might start one off before I go to bed. Did you find the 6 week steep was absolutely necessary or is that just how it worked out? Two weeks seemed fine for the ground coffee, and I was actually worried that either excessive time or temperature was what made a lot of coffee concentrates so nasty (burnt rubber, anyone?)

I think I can be patient if the results are worth it. BTW, 400 S/S mesh makes a great filter - it was actually developed as filter first before we found other uses for it. Next decision: Earl Grey, English Breakfast, or Dilmah...

 

Don't really know Left it for 6 weeks just as a gut feel type of thing ...


Yep (fitter background). I've got some "Lapsang Souchong" tea concentrated which I use to add a smokey flavour to some of my mixes ... quite like it (thanks mathsguy )

 

Done and done. No Lapsang here but the Dilma is already colouring up the PG. I'll check it in two weeks and see how it's travelling. Thanks for the push.