HC Juice Mixes and percentages or drops per 20 or 30 ml bottles

Hi all!

Now, HC flavor concentrates are tricky. Some need more some need less and its a hard thing to start to mix with. I am starting this thread to try get an accumulated list of HC concentrate percentages per 20 or 30ml. Any contribution to this list would be awesome and would help the community heaps! Thinking for a format of
flavor name mix of PG/VG % size of mix in mL and percentage or drops in mix (Juice bottle has 20 drops per mL - Glass dropper has 25 drops per mL - Pipette has 30 drops per mL).

Thanks again

 

Black Current 70PG/30VG mix 20mL 1.2-1.5% or 10 drops from a Pipette

Green Apple 70/PG/30VG mix 20mL 1.2-1.5% or 12 drops from a Pipette

These are the only two i have gotten to a good mix the rest i have experimented and tried and just given up since these are working so well.

 

Good idea for a thread

Measuring with drops is very difficult but since you added the % I guess it couldn't hurt to include it . Just everyone should remember that 20 drops of PG isn't going to be the same as 20 drops of flavouring, and not everyone will have the same pipettes and bottles. Even using the same pipettes I've found the amount I measure can vary too much, it's not bad for rough measuring though I guess.

Maybe list 5 or 10ml as standard. People can always divide or multiply to whatever amount they want, but always better to start with a small amount so you don't waste the PG/VG if the flavour is too strong or you end up just not liking it.

I'm being a bit fussy, pretty sure any info at all on stuff people have found to work is gold.

I'll dig up my notes on HC concentrates and post the info here later

 

awesome! and also if the moderators could move this to DIY juice section would be fantastic!

 

Lemon Black Tea 70PG/30VG 20mL 5% or 33-35 drops from a pipette (courteous of arth_d)

 

would do 5 or 10ml measurements but we would usually do this if we have no idea where to start with for the concentrates. The idea i had for this thread is to allow people to mix a flavor with all the confidence it will turn out good without the need to experiment as much =) I know that experimenting can be annoying and turn you off trying new flavors cuz of the hassle, This is what this thread is suppose to help address =)

 

cool thread, I have a bunch of these concentrates I bought nearly 18 months ago and most of them not even touched due to this reason.
I will have to have a play with them now.
I think stick to a 10ml standard as well or its too .. not confusing, but all over the place.

 

ok i will re edit it tonight and change it to 10ml =)

 

Hi

Just found the following on the ECF site and thought it may be helpful

The problem I see here, which is a problem for all recipes posted, is lack of a standard format. I personally like:

Valsacar's Peanut Butter Cup:

40% Peanut Butter (FA)
40% Milk Chocolate (FA)
10% Graham Cracker (FA)
10% Bavarian Cream (FA)

Mix at 20%.

This way you can easily recreate it at any size, with any PG/VG mix you like (I do 50/50 for this one). Doing it as a % of the whole bottle works as well, but the way I did it allows you to mix up a big batch of just flavor and then just put that in when you mix them up (I have a 60ml container of just these flavors, then I put 6ml into a 30ml batch whenever, easier that way as I vape this all day).

The worst method, IMO, is showing drops (no drops are the same). Next worse would be showing exact ml for a specific size batch, I want to make a sample batch to see if I like it, and then maybe I want to make 30ml or 60ml of it but your recipe is specific to 10ml so now I have to convert that over... just a pain.

 

hey mink,
much appreciated. these arent so much recipes but just making the flavor of the concentrate into a vapeable mix. HC ones are always touchy and differ vastly. Like green apple takes 1.2% while rock melon from them which is also part of their fruit range take around 20%.

But will take your input into account

 

I can't recall which juice vendor it was but I did see one recently that instead of offering "single shot" and "doublers" they gave percentages "1.2%" and "2.4%" which I'd guess is the amount of flavouring in the base...

I really like the idea of sourcing more concentrated flavours so that a lower percentage is needed in the base for best effect, it would have to be kinder to our beloved attys and cartos and leave a lot less crappy dark liquid that won't volatize to eventually burn and gunk our precioussssss

I'm still just experimenting with a cheapo HC concentrate and while they're not so bad, I bet other concentrates are far better in taste and quality. I find it slow going be.comse after making enough changes I like to let it mingle for a while before tasting again. Someone mentioned something about "speed steeping" recently and I meant to go back and read it but forgot where that post is now

 

HC concerntrates may be cheap but a lot of vendors use these as their base for doublers (cant remember which ones).
Some of their flavors are awesome like hami melon and green apple. Their lemon black tea is pretty good too, Cheap as it may, but some are really good.

i think one methon of speed steeping was to put the bottle in some luke warm to warm water so the mild heat lets the flavor bind and develop faster. with HC concentrates i haven't bothered personally. they seem just as good steeped and not steeped. I think steeping is more important when you make a cocktail flavor ie mixing several different non accompanying flavors like lime, ice cream, vanilla etc to make lime splce but is fine without when adding mentol to a flavor. This is purely my opinion. hope it helps. =)

 

Hi MMM. Thank you for this thread. I am very interested as I have almost the full range of Health Cabin flavours that I haven't actually touched yet. Oh for some more time!!!

I realise the thread is not about recipes but percentages. If we have a % to put beside each of these flavours, we can use that % in any amount of premixed base 5ml, 10ml, 20ml, etc.

I have read that Cereal is very strong and only needs 0.05%. So would I dilute this flavour by half (using the base) before adding it to the base liquid?

My head's starting to spin LOL

 

I posted this link on another thread Compare USA / European e-Liquid Manufacturers and Suppliers. Some list their source for the flavours as USA, Eur or Can but many sources say 'Unconfirmed' which makes me think they are actually from China and possibly the same ones that HC sells.

 

Hey Mink,

Yeah i will restart the thread with percentages and a standard 10ml measurement tonight. This thread will only be for HC mixes. reason also put drops was incase you were to lazy to measure the percentages, like i am at times.

Mike

 

Yeah I think concentrated flavours are great. Definitely notice my attys and cartos last much longer. HC concentrates are great but can be tricky as you said...takes time to get percentages perfect, especially when you start using more than one flavour. With all the flavour brands I've used they have their good and their bad...other concentrates won't be.comtomatically better quality. HC caramel is very unique and I haven't tasted any other brand that's similar...and I've tried lootsss of caramels. Your bests bets are checking out the flavour review section at ECF and see which ones are most popular.

Here's the method I've found the best for getting your percentages locked down -



From this awesome thread

This is pretty helpful as well -




These flavours are the strongest I've heard of - New Super Concentrated Flavors and they're meant to be pretty good!

Haven't been able to find my notes on HC concentrations...sigh. If anyone is getting into DIY, record and label everything, and make sure you keep your notes organised.

Only ones I remember off by heart are - Caramel, 2 drops per ML. Strawberry about the same.

 

A lot of flavour concentrates are different, and taste is subjective.

I would recommend anyone to try a program called 'eJuice Me Up' (free, just google it) which has a lot of premade recipes you can use, modify, experiment with or even save/upload your own.

I would never recommend saying 'use x amount of drops of this, or that' I would always measure in terms of mL or % as droppers are different depending on the dropper and/or liquid. Then you can apply the formula no matter what amount of liquid - whether it be 10 mil, or 3 liters.

For sweet flavours especially, I would definitely recommend leaving them steep properly before trying them, I had issues with perfume like tastes initially from things like apple candy, strawberry, etc but after leaving them oxidize for 24 hours then sealing them back on and leaving another 1-2 weeks they vaped like champs.

 

Very wise advice phirex! The worst thing in the world is making some incredible juice, but then not being able to replicate it be.comse of poor records, or using things like drops as measurement unfortunately laziness gets the better of me sometimes.

I've got some 'druggy' scales that measure down to milligrams, I remember someone on here saying that they can be a good option for measuring flavours for e-juice. Might have to give that a try next time...just sick of having so many syringes around.

 

Even measuring in weight you still need to % that if you want to make different size batches. That's why you should use %'s which can be applied to any batch of juice. Any DIY'ers should only be mixing 5ml to test intially and using a de-wicked atty / dripping to test the flavour out, unless you really have a lot of hardware you want to burn through. Always test stuff on fresh hardware, so you aren't cross contaminating. And yes this program is great, will give you accurate measures, and allow you to save your own recipes as files, and if you want to help the vaping community, upload them or just paste the text file here and we can try them out, or you could post a 'failure' and perhaps we could give reasons why it was a failure, if you're having trouble getting a certain recipe to work. DIY'ing is really just glorified cordial mixing, but there is a right way and a wrong way and I would suggest to learn the right way first rather than wasting a ton of money, time and effort by simply 'doing it wrong'.

I got given a lot of crap on another forum when I asked about basic DIY'ing. But some people did offer me sound advice, so I am happy to pass it on, and think DIY'ing is the most satisfying part about vaping. Coming up with your own great flavour is a great feeling. My next challenge is to work out mixing using crystal menth (lol, menthol crystals) with weight versus mL as a %. It's a sure fire way to get the same result every time. From my personal testing, I have toned some flavours down from 20% to 15%, and toned some even higher than 20%, experimented with steeping, and whatnot, to see what the REAL results are. Especially hoping to one day re-sell my juice, I want it to be the best juice possible, and knowing the correct ways to do things is important. I've had a LOT of failures, but that just teaches me another thing not to do.

Buy some proper equipment, beakers and measuring tools for larger batches, but keep it simple at first. Ensure you keep everything in a bacteria free environment and don't cross contaminate flavors. Use fresh or clean syringes (clean with alcohol) for every flavour, I really don't think it's an issue for personal DIY'ing if you use the same syringe for your nic/pg/vg, it's all the same and upto you if you want to contaminate it (I'd never do that for retail juice, just to reinforce that, just for personal testing, as I'm not fussed if I get a tiny bit of pg in my nic for example)

Don't start off by doing things like having 100mg+nic, cutting it back to your desired level and trying to work out all this weird math at first. I have some 'base' made up for testing, which is pg/vg at my desired ratio + 18 mg nic, which I simply add flavour to, which ends up making the nic a bit weaker (in the range of 5% to 10% weaker depending if I mix 10% or 20% flavor, which is approx the range I experiment in initially). I don't care that the nic is a bit weaker than 18mg, (16.2mg or so) whatever, each to their own and just for personal testing, some people test at 0% nic.

eJuice Me Up - e-Juice e-Liquid Recipe Calculator - ejuicemeup

Index of /recipes - recipe's - you can rip these all if you get a chrome addon or w/e, that's upto you

eJuice Recipe Calculator - a very simple calculator for beginner DIY'ing which de.comlts flavour %'s to 20% but you can tweak this yourself

 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge phirex. You've got the right mindset for it great to hear from someone else on these boards who is into DIY.

I prefer this e-cig calculator - Ejuice calculator (added quantity calculations)
It's a spreadsheet based one so isn't as easy to use, but has a fair few extra features that I find useful. I've also got the eJuice me up calculator and I'm beginning to use it more often for quick calculations, without having to load up excel.

I do have some basic glassware but not really making e-juice in the quantities to warrant using it. I've also had tons of failures, good to know it's not just me!

I use 0% nic for testing, but I'm noticing I need to tweak the recipe once I do add nic. Might have a go at mixing with a nicotine base for testing.

I don't use fresh hardware all the time be.comse I can't afford it de-wicked attys are great though as you mentioned...I usually just rinse them with VG/Vodka mix, which I blow out afterwards. Not perfect but works pretty good.

I've still got heaps to learn with DIY e-juice. I think it's awesome to have the goal of selling your own juice one day, I considered that once but don't really have the time atm...or the patience to deal with retail type work, even if it is based online.

One of the things that helped me the most was getting feedback from other people. You really can't just rely on using your own taste-buds IMO - although I wouldn't be surprised if Del from JW does exactly that, and her stuff is some of the best.

I'll definitely be posting some specific issues I've had with various mixes, I'm interested in why some things just don't work, even when they really seem like they should...and how sometimes you'll mix something obscure into a recipe and it'll make it great.